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The Women Bishops Debate: Debunking a few myths

 
Carl Laferton | 22 Nov 2012

We’re hearing a lot of pretty strong claims made about the whole women-bishop-debate in the Church of England.

The secular media reports, and the comments from the bishops, are overwhelmingly annoyed that the measure to admit women to the episcopate failed—unsurprisingly, since both the media and the bishops were strongly in favour. Views of those who oppose women bishops tend to be buried right at the bottom of articles—this a pretty representative one. To read the articles and the weight given to the two side’s views, you could quite easily forget that over a third of the “normal” members of the CofE’s General Synod opposed the measure.

With so much one-sided bombardment masquerading as unbiased reportage or balanced reflection, it’s worth digging a little deeper into the arguments being used. One of the favourite tactics (which we’re all prone to) is to present one’s own views as immutable, obvious truths; and then mis-represent the other side’s views, preferably adding a pejorative description such as “old-fashioned” or “obscure” (or, if all else fails, “sexist” or “bigoted”).

A second is more subtle. It is to imply something about the other side by comparative omission. This looks like this: “Let’s compare my family’s Christmas with your family’s Christmas. In my family’s house, Christmas is fun and everyone is happy.” Subtext: in your family’s house, Christmas is boring and everyone’s miserable.

So, here are a few myths doing the rounds that could do with being debunked:

 

  • Women have much to offer the church in ministry, so you must support women bishops.

 

This is implication by comparative omission: “We think women can do ministry, our subtext is that you don’t”. Go to any conservative evangelical church and you’ll find godly women doing all sorts of wonderful ministry, in line with their biblical beliefs about male headship in the church.

 

  • When you experience women ministering, then you change your mind about women bishops.

 

This may be true for people whose objections are experiential (“I just can’t imagine receiving bread and wine from a woman”). But for those whose objections are theological, experience does not change truth. If as a Christian I don’t feel God loves me, it doesn’t change the wonderful reality that He does (1 John 4 v 9-11). This logic is like someone saying: “I disagreed with radical Islam until I went to a funeral presided over by a fundamentalist imam who was a lovely, softly-spoken, polite chap. So I’ve become a radical Muslim”.

 

  • If men and women are equal in God's sight, they must be allowed to do the same things.

 

If this is true, then men and women aren’t equal in God’s sight, since He made women able to become pregnant and give birth, and men not. God does not equate value with role. And people don't really equates value with role either. No one thinks an unemployed person’s life is worth less than a doctor’s, simply because one has a “more important” function in society. In fact, the Bible teaches what deep down we know to be true: men and women are made in God’s image, equal in value (Genesis 1 v 27), and different in roles in some areas of life (eg: Ephesians 5 v 25-28).

 

  • If women are against women bishops, they are being dominated by men.

 

Essentially, the point seems to be: you must be a bit of a mousy, pathetic kind of woman if you don’t support your own gender’s “right” to the episcopate. It’s actually quite offensive. Again, go to any conservative evangelical church, speak to women there, and then see if they are pathetic, mousy, never-say-boo-to-anyone kind of women.

 

  • Male headship is an obscure concept.

 

So, in wider society, is the Trinity, atonement, and judgment day. As, for that matter, is God.

 

  • Women did all the jobs men did in the early Church, but then in the first century they were banned because society was sexist.

 

You’ll find this argument here. But how do we know what the early church did? Through the letters of the apostles to that church. And in those letters we find that some roles are for men (including the authority over a church—1 Timothy 2 v 12), and others for women (including giving birth—1 Timothy 2 v 15).

 

  • We must reflect the concerns of the society we serve.

 

The Bible says this is a fallen world, which has rejected God and so is based on futile thinking (Romans 1 v 21). Why would a society’s current opinions be a good basis for deciding how to structure God’s church?

 

  • This will hamper the Church's mission to Britain.

 

The church’s mission is to go and make disciples, teaching them to obey everything the Lord Jesus has commanded in Scripture (Matthew 28 v 18-20). If we are convinced that Scripture teaches that women are equal in value but different in role, and not created to have the head role in marriage or the church, then that’s a command of the Lord Jesus, to be obeyed whether it’s popular and comprehensible or not.

In fact, the statistics (by the way, here's an interesting Daily Telegraph article which quotes Tim’s analysis) show that in the CofE, the growing congregations are the conservative evangelical ones; the shrinking ones are the liberal ones. It would appear that living under the authority of Scripture when it comes to male headship has not adversely affected the gospel mission of gospel churches. It’s worth remembering this, too, whenever we’re told that the “vast majority” of people in the pews are strongly in favour of women bishops.

 

  • Opposition to women bishops is divisive.

 

If you have a united status quo, and someone decides to change it, they are being divisive. People who say “Actually, we quite like the status quo, can we keep it the same?” are not being divisive. That’s not to say the status quo must never change; but it’s those who want to change it at the price of division who bear the responsibility to justify the division, not those who wish to maintain it.

None of this is to say that there are not people on both sides of the debate who are seeking honestly and humbly to apply God’s all-sufficient word in the Bible to the Church of England in 2012. It's not the case that if you support women bishops, you can’t be a Christian.

But it is striking how little the Bible is quoted, carefully and in context, by supporters of women bishops—see, for instance, this live blog of the speeches made in support and opposition in General Synod. It’s a caricature, but a pretty accurate one, to say that one side wants to allow God’s word to shape the church as it proclaims repentance to society; the other wants to allow society to shape the church as it proclaims repentance to God.

Just a thought ... Here’s one motion for General Synod which would keep the debate on track: no one is allowed to speak if they don’t begin with “The Bible says…” and don’t include the word “but” in the same sentence. There’d still be a debate—but it would be a biblical one, not an increasingly myth-based one.

(Posted by Phil Grout)

G-Lo

11:01 PM AEDT on January 8th
Succinct and frustratingly coherent. Kudos.

Peter Churcher

11:01 PM AEDT on January 8th
Thanks for this post. As a Lay Minister in the Anglican Church I have spoken, along with the Rector, to some members of our church on this matter. We said the same thing, that this is a debate between believers and should be based solely on scripture. I am currently in a position of understanding from scripture that women can be ministers and bishops. I however came from a tradition that understood that women cannot be ordained and I too held this position. I never looked seriously at the argument of those who were pro-female ministers because all I heard was the sort of egalitarian nonsense you destroy above. It was only until I met an evangelical baptist scholar who explained from scripture how he was pro-female ministers and also showed me other evangelical scholars that agreed that I took it seriously. It is doing no-one any good to argue from anything but scripture.

stefan

11:01 PM AEDT on January 8th
There is of course confusion in the minds of some that the Church of Engand is co-terminous with God's church in England. The one is composed of believers in the Lord Jesus Christ and His teachings. The second is an organisation composed of both believers and unbelievers! Lets stick to preaching the good news of salvation in Christ to all, including the religious people of our land.

Swood

11:01 PM AEDT on January 8th
Why are you challenging the rhetoric of Anglicans who are pro-women bishops, claiming it to be "one-sided bombardment masquerading as unbiased reportage or balanced reflection" but then falling foul of your own criticisms?

To claim that those in support of women bishops are unbibilical or certainly not referring enough to the bible is without a doubt "pejorative" and to claim that, conversely, your own interpretation of scripture is the "biblical" one is " to present one’s own views as immutable, obvious truths". You also court acusations of "mis-represent[ing] the other side’s views" since many arguments in favour of women bishops draw on biblical precedents, such as the examples of Deborah and Miriam. Futhermore, claiming that the proponents of women bishops fail to draw on biblical truths "carefully and in context", but then using a "caricature" to support your argument makes you look ignorant and petty.

You also accuse people in favour of women bishops of being "divisive" when the tone of your article is sarcastic and belligerant. To concede that "It's not the case that if you support women bishops, you can’t be a Christian" is outrageous; of course that is not the case! Who are you to decide what it means to be a Christian? Paul makes it clear in the New Testament that what at that time were controversial theological issues- such as whether Christians should eat meat that has been used in pagan temple worship- are absolutely not central to the Christian gospel mission, in fact they are distractions. Certainly they do not decide whether or not somebody is a Christian.

I appreciate that this article is written to contend perceived misrepresentation of more conservative Christians in the media over the issue of women bishops. However, to criticize rhetorical style in a rhetorical manner supporting your argument with spurious statistics (one third may be a significiant minority, but it is nonetheless a minority) does nothing to help your cause.

Benjamin Horvat

11:01 PM AEDT on January 8th
Mr. Swood,

I couldn't disagree with you more. I think that your post is terrible and I'm sorry for those reading...

It seems the reason why you take issue with the post is your own refusal to understand that truth is not relative.

To cite the Apostle Paul's writings in favor of your views while ignoring what else he has written to the contrary (very clearly in several places) is not nice.

I hope you experience God's love,

Benjamin

Stanwell

11:01 PM AEDT on January 8th
"To claim that those in support of women bishops are unbibilical or certainly not referring enough to the bible is without a doubt "pejorative" and to claim that, conversely, your own interpretation of scripture is the "biblical" one is " to present one’s own views as immutable, obvious truths". "

No, the fact is that there was no-where near enough reference to what the bible says. You need a lot of interpretation to come to the conclusion that the bible supports women bishops. The biblical stance against women bishops, however is overwhelming. If those arguing the case for women bishops could put a solid argument based on what the bible says, then they may well have a case.

Carl Laferton

Carl is Editorial Director at The Good Book Company and is a member of Grace Church Worcester Park, London. He is the best-selling author of The Garden, the Curtain and the Cross and God's Big Promises Bible Storybook, and also serves as series editor of the God's Word for You series. Before joining TGBC, he worked as a journalist and then as a teacher, and pastored a congregation in Hull. Carl is married to Lizzie, and they have two children. He studied history at Oxford University.